Sunday, August 26, 2007

Worrysome Christianity.

Scott Thong issued the LGT community an apology here:

http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/scotts-unconditional-apology-for-any-hurt-caused-by-remarks-on-homosexuality/#comment-10948

I am very proud of him. But it is kind ruined when another being crashed into it militia style on the apology post, on the commentary below.

Dear Scott, it takes great pride to appologise and it is one of the traits that
should be trully instilled in God’s children. (a) I do agree with you
all the way about the questions of the existence of homosexuality and i strongly
oppose concerning the notion that it is ok to appoint a gay pastor to lead the
christians and homosexuality in life.
Christ is the head of the Church
and and He is no gay. (b)So who gives the particular pastor and other so
called gay pastors the right to be one , the head of a church when he doesn t
even follow the teaching of the Bible itself but deliberately creating his own
doctrines to suit his need
. Then Our worship to God is in vain if we
follow human doctrines instead of our Lord Jesus’ teachings (cf. 2 Jn 9; Gal
1:8-9; Jn 4:24). (c)I’m happy to read your personal attacks on Yuki’s
posts and questions and i cant even find any forms of arrogance in it as all
those statements are coming from your personal opinion based on the true
teaching of Bible
. Yuki ,on the otherhand is more inclined to human
interpretations than using the bible to look for answers. (d)She
believes in God and a christian herself, unfortunately is still doubtful of what
is propagated by Jesus and having tunnel visions in her understanding between
the old and the new tastement
.It is not enough just to call Jesus our
Lord. We must do the will of the Father. If we do not obey Jesus’ teachings, we
are as foolish as a man who builds a house without a solid foundation.
(e)So the gay should should be blame for being what they are but they
are wrong in the eyes of God and should be exposed to the teaching of Bible not
to have another church for gays!!!!
Well , the true answer for the
above question is already stated in the Bible, not wikipedia, not from the
journals or whatsoever, So the question of of our salvation is as stated in Mat
24 : 13.

The Word for believers are supposed to be the lamp unto the feet and the light unto the path. But for people like this Highlander, it is a source of ammunition of intolerance and prejudice.

a) Homosexuals exist. Highlander says no. Wow. But I agree with most of the LGTs it would have been better if Rev Ou Yang, never place his sexuality out on his ordaination. It is just amazing that people do not even appreciate such honesty on sexuality, but instead calls it a lie.

b) I wonder what is the proof of 'creation of his (Ou Yang) own doctrines.' He is only gay for goodness sake. Heck, at least Ou Yang is out and honest. I would not like to attend a church headed by a highlander who do not even have a profile, and shoots then hides for the fun of it.

c) Justifying attacks on a person, then flaming, then worshipping the Bible instead of Christ. Is this really a Christian?

d) I mentioned before sometimes bigotry blinds a person's eyes in the face of dialogue. Any reader of my blog would already have this fact hammered: I am not a Christian anymore. And is it tunnel visions, when every Christian knows the difference between the war God of the Old Testament and the God of Love in the New Testament? Highlander worships a book again.

e) Now Highlander worships his own bigotry.

I think you all would know there are other comments in regards to Ou Yang, some even nastier ones like this: http://politics101malaysia.blogsome.com/2007/08/10/pastor-happy-with-new-calling/. Observe comment 12. Also another one who comes and shoots and do not dare to show himself who he or she is. And another evidence that the bigotry is still discriminative between gays and lesbians. I am already over annoyed to reply to such loathsome show of antigay lies and hate mongering. But it is these mentalities that is bringing a more dangerous side out from anti-homosexuality, and Christianity.

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Breaking news...

We do have our reasons to get worried on the Christian side that is becoming militant. It somehow got started after the 9/11 attacks, where the Bible is again used to justify the war on Iraq. Some cultish deviants of Christianity, the same ones that are so deeply condemning the LGT community, is really starting to show a sign of 'gathering of an army'. The New Testament had countlessly mentioned the wolves in sheeps clothing, the kinds of fruits that certain tree bears and a confused army going against God. Not all who call to God Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. All the signs of the army going against God are actually some Christians themselves, may be increasing.

Last year, a show-movement called Jesus Camp was on air, presenting the training of children to become "Christian soldiers" to wage war against unbelievers. This is what I fear the most in saying that untrained minds could easily be influenced into self-imprisoned zombiedom.

Becky Fischer, a preacher for these children, went on to explain how the children are 'usable resource for the cause of Christiantiy', even went on to admit they are brainwashing children with their own brand of moral values, citing, 'studies have shown that a person's moral values in life are set in place between the ages of seven to nine years of age and will change very little after that'.

Watch the trailers of the show here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE

I wonder will we Malaysians, who profess to be Christians who are Asian toned, would sink down to this shocking level of cultish militancy, feeding it to our children's minds. And as a Christian world, are we going back to the times where Christianity is still a war based religion? Now, back to our original story....

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Somewhere along the way, some sections of Christianity seems to be losing touch with reality. Defining God for others is already serious. Defining our own hatred and bigotry along with defining God for others and into is utterly insane. But it seems that is what everyone is doing now.

Recycled 'myths' presented by people throughout the century, and like homosexuality today, is really getting tiringly stale. But it is still amazing when people buy into it as the truth. Even when it is proven by such hard realism and factual evidence, there is always the religious magical word called 'God says so'. When that fails, they then create their own non-peer or non-third party viewed 'sciences and evidences'. When they realise people are coming on to them liars, here comes the ultimate 'on / off' switch of Bible selection. It goes like:

Slavery? (The Bible is so obviously pro-slavery, from Genesis to Revelations)
- More than 25 verses says so, and for the future, four verses in Revelations.
- Switch: ON - Oh, you know, it is the past. The culture is different at that time and now, erm...

Earth being flat? (The Bible confirmed the earth is flat and the sun goes around it is the 'truth')
- More than 5 verses says so.
- Switch: ON -Well, the Bible never really clearly says that... even so the writers of the Bible do not know about it back in those centuries... The Bible is the inspired Word Of God you see....

Everything God asks to kill; like children, people who work Sundays (The Bible, God says so!)
- Tons of verses in the Bible asks for people to be killed because of what we define as trivial matters today!
- Switch: ON - Actually, those times are when before Christ came, so you see, it is okay...

Woman to stay silent? (The Bible wants women to be ultra submissive and covered head to toe)
- Three PASSAGES in the Bible says so, all in the New Testament, soundly and clearly.
- Switch: ON - No, actually Paul was just expressing his desires for women to be in proper conduct in church... furthermore times are different now. Anyway, my wife is important to me....

Homosexuality (The famous Christian prejudice)
- Six verses, four in Old Testament, three by Paul the woman discriminator in New Testament.
- Switch: OFF - Its an abomination. No. It is unnatural. See God says so! Look at all the heterosexual sex diseases inflicted on homosexual men with their gay lifestyle? Hah. You see those dirty men! Huh? There are lesbians? Oh ya. They are living in sin too. Whatever! God condemns homosexuality. Period! Homosexuals do not exist. Even if they exist they can change by living a celibate life! Yeah! Homosexuality is even more serious than heterosexual's adultery!

Sigh.

35 comments:

curious said...
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Yuki said...

Yes, Curious, welcome to my lair... I have been expecting you...

Yuki said...

This is the 'curious' who commented in Scott's blog:

http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/scotts-unconditional-apology-for-any-hurt-caused-by-remarks-on-homosexuality/#comment-11264

I have two choices. One, delete such comments. Two, reason. Nah, I will choose three, fulfil 'curious's lust for self righteousness.

"curious Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 12:20 am
Yuki,why are u ‘arguing’ or watever u called it, with the ppl whom u know will not understand you even though u give thousands or billions of excuses or reasons to protect your stand as a homosexual? enough is enough….the truth will speaks itself sooner or later…..anyway who are we to judge who is right and who is wrong?

curious Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 1:09 am
will you be happy or glad or even proud of yourself if that Gay Pastor that leads service in KL managed to change the mindset of the people in accepting that gay is not a sin and eventually accept it as a norm in our society? then i guess in 10years time, our city would be so much corrupted like Sodom and Gomorrah…God destroyed Sodom because of the homosexuality….and read leviticus 20: 13.” if a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman,both of them have done what is detestable,they must be put to death.their blood will be on their own head.” here refers to HOMOSEXUALITY” in case u don’t understand….

curious Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 1:31 am
Everyone, i felt sorry for those who are no longer associated as a Christian, a lost sheep, if i can refer to as….but I just want you to read again the bible on leviticus 19:18 ” Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people,but love your neighbour as yourself.” Upon reading all your comment,I know that most of you all have the bible knowledge (assuming) but don’t just read it (siapa makan cili, dia akan terasa pedas), u should also meditate on it, and relate or practice it in your daily lives…

curious Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 1:46 am
“Let us jusy SAY homosexuality is wrong by principle, there are also more things that the Bible says that are against a lot of things, which no one applies today.”

can you give me some examples things that the bible says and that no one applies it nowadays? I thought only God knows that ??? or are you referring it to the the small world only you are living in it ? since I don care about respecting other people’s beliefs, and I only believe in God and the bible…nothing is more important than that..so you can or better still, save your time or money (mine too) if you wana talk to me on other craps about you own belief and its not related to the bible at all.THANKS BUT NO THANKS….

curious Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 2:32 am
Scott, I admired that you have a humble and gentle heart in apologizing about your comments or wat so ever things that you have done wrong…no one is perfect ,rite? since all of us are sinners , and we may not have the right to judge others but as brother and sister in Christ , we do have the right to rebuke or teach each other as the bible says in 2 timothy 2: 24 ” and the Lord’s servant must not quarrel: instead, he must be kind to everyone,able to TEACH,not resentful.” also be firm in the word of GOD if people questioned you about bible verse, when the bible itself says in 2 timothy 3: 16 “All scripture is God ’s breathed and is useful for teaching,rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. ”

SO ,do your best to present your self to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. avoid godless chatter because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly…..2 timothy 2: 15-16…

MAy God be with you always…..remember also “Do not be deceived, God cannot be mocked.A man reaps what he sows.The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from the nature will reap destruction……galatians 6 : 7-10

Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.romans 14: 16

Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.Romans 14: 22….amen….Shalom…."

YukiChoe Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 3:19 am
My stand now is… I am really too tired with people. People who contradict themselves. I accepted the fact that people would be too engrossed in judging others by measure of what they do not understand. They end up seeking comfort in religion, YES RELIGION, not the spirit of the law in which Christ judges a person’s heart and mind. Which is why I do not wish to be Christian identified. I find the some ‘christians’ around me delusional, always seeking comfort and justification in their insecurities like ‘curious’.

I am tired… of people defining God for others as a tool of bigotry. Here is one ‘curious’, so curious that he do not know the old Leviticus laws other than that that ‘condemns’ homosexuals. You REALLY only know Lev 20:13, ‘curious’?

Why DONT YOU SHUT UP until you know in LEV 20 itself:

Leviticus 20:9 - Where you deserve to DIE if you ever scold your parents?
Leviticus 20:10 - Where so many people deserve DEATH have a second girlfriend after their wives? (Why DON’T you condemn them instead?)
Levitivus 20: 18 - Where SO MANY MEN have sex with their partners during their period and deserve CONDEMNATION?

Enough? Let us play with the old Deutronomy laws!

Deutronomy 22: 11 - What the hell are you wearing now?
Deutronomy 22: 12 - Where are your tassels?
Deutronomy 22: 20 - Find all the NON virgins on their wedding night and KILL THEM, SAYS GOD!

IF you know your BIBLE, you are not supposed to EAT PIGS AS WELL! KILL all those who work on SUNDAYS! Exodus 31:15.

If you are a girl, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SHUT UP! YA THANKS BUT NO THANKS!

Thank you for 2 Timothy 3: 16, I reserve the right to REBUKE YOU FOR YOUR JUDGEMENTAL HEART!

And if you know me and you know science, I AM NOT A HOMOSEXUAL! I AM A BISEXUAL! so again, SHUT UP!

(I am really in a foul mood listening to these imbeciles, Scott. You deserve my apology for snapping up again. But you would realise now the frustration that LGTs have to live with, everyday, till they leave this earth.)

YukiChoe Says:

August 30th, 2007 at 3:24 am
“u should also meditate on it, and relate or practice it in your daily lives…”

YES CURIOUS! GO AND KILL PEOPLE WHO WORK IN MC DONALD’S, WATSONS, ALL OVER THE MALLS! KILL ALL THOSE IGNORANT LITTLE CHILDREN! SAYS GOD! YA MEDITATE, THEN KILL! BE SELF RIGHTEOUS!

Yuki said...

"DO not simply accused or stamped all christian as Christian side that is becoming militant. not ALL....GET IT?"

I do get annoyed when people come here and tell me things I already know. If you know where I came from you would know I stand neutral. But to judge me that I call myself sinless and wise before God? I never said that. And I am now non-Christian identified, remember? It is amazing that you barge in here expecting favours. I admire your zeal. But your target audience is wrong, I am not a homosexual by the way. I am transgender, and I am a bisexual. If you do not know what is that by now, you will never come to the point of understanding.

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Yuki said...

I do not think I am a girl, I already am. If you want to know more, you can read about the varying hormonal, psychological, biological and chromosomnal factors here:

http://yuki-thejourney.blogspot.com/2007/08/about-transsexuals-and-gender-identity.html

I wish you read my blog first before you go into unsubstanciated comments. I do not see any curiosity in your part, only questioning to justify a 'a-ha'

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Yuki said...

It is time you stop saying it and practise it, stop questioning and just live it. Everyone always feels the need to question, but sometimes the best way to know your life is to live without the answers. If you would go on being intoxicated by reason, you will never move forward. Answers will eventually come in your walk in experience and coming of age.

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Yuki said...

You stopped judging and moderated you tone, for that I would calm down and listen to you. Everyone is always confused of things they do not understand.

The way to salvation is not through the church, or anyone. If you know Christ, the Alpha and the Omega; you would know the only way to salvation is through deep daily personal relationship with him.

You are not homosexual, or like me transgender. We are not confused, but people would always be confused of what to make of us. And most Christian quarters would turn their confusion into insecurities, and then turn to the comfort of their own religion to justify their own confusion.

We know who we are. You should be thankful you are born normal in the face of society. Most of us have to live with such stigma and prejudice for the rest of our lives. If it is really a 'choice' why else would we endure it? It is a fine line of doing what is right, and what is easy.

Yuki said...

"I am curious, thats why i ask all sorts of question.. thats how I live, i ask question when i don't understand them, so that i have the answer and can answer other ppl when they ask me...and thats how i gain more knowledge and understanding... and by this , I started to feel how people like you feel...its a part of learning process, don't you think?"

If you are really 'curious' to know, you would not have pasted in your blog such THAT post. For a Christian fundie, it sounds so affirming. Unfortunately in the real world, what you are saying is bull.

Example, do you know the major cause of HIV/AIDS infections, in fact more than 60% of it, is through intravenious drug use?

This is why it is dangerous to use religion to justify. It not only promotes prejudice, it also encourages incredible misinformation.

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Yuki said...

I would not answer you on Christian matters, because I am not longer Christian identified, and only choose to debate scriptures and sciences when called upon to protect a heavily stigmatized community. I also do not wish to define God for you.

You will eventually grow up, go to work, meet people, know friends. You will read a lot and learn a lot. Nobody stops learning until the day we die. There you would learn. Perhaps someday you will travel overseas and see the world, there perhaps, you would know trully how to respect a person, regardless of race, gender, religion or orientation. Know that everybody validates their own sense of self, and that no one person on this earth is the same. That is perhaps the best advice I can give you.

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Yuki said...

"I am glad to hear that you are not a homosexual as I really think that homosexual is not a pleasing act in God's eye.. "

Homosexuality is not an 'act'. It is a sexual orientation. Like asexuals, heterosexuals, bisexuals; I am a bisexual. It has nothing to do with whether I sleep with anyone or not. I am a bisexual anyhow. Homosexuality is an orientation. Would call a homosexual who sits at home and only works and sleeps having a 'deviant' lifestyle?

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Yuki said...

"every people would have their different point of view, so what???they think their way, i think my way lah...that's how I live my life all these while though I know alot of * m * prejudice about Chinese and Christianity,but I still make friends with them and treat them nice... "

Good. That's a great. But what you have done is you tresspass on another party and impose your values on others. That is not right. Please do not do that. Everybody have the right to live their own lifes without such prejudice you are describing.

Yuki said...

"thanx for your advice.. i will continue learning even the facts and figures of the reality world...you have widen my perspective of seeing things...thanx for that...now, i know how to look to situation from different angle.... "

Do your best to reconcile the reality of the world with God, and the people to Christ. And love, really love everyone around you, trully unconditionally, never expecting people to change or become someone you want them to be, or have ulterior motives, or anything. Just love love love. The world really needs love right now. Okay? Peace and love. Take care.

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Yuki said...

Heterosexual:
I girl you boy = attraction.

Bisexual:

I girl, you boy or girl = attraction.

Homosexual (lesbian):
I girl you girl = attraction.

Homosexual (gay):
I boy you boy = attraction.

Asexual:

Do not care, I do not like boy or girl.


UNDERSTAND?

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curious said...

ok, I will not be prejudice or judge people easily anymore...but I just want you to stop giving bad comments(if any) about Christianity anymore because there are alot really nice Christian out there too and please don't spoiled the bad name of christianity as you wrote in your blog worrysome christianity( it gives me a bad impression)...its that I am angry about earlier on..thats why all my rude words are out...As Christian, I ought to say sorry if i ever offended you just now...I have deleted those rude comments dy and hereby wish to drop the matter of homosexual...thanx again for your advice...

curious said...

are you still a Christian, or do you still be in God or the Bible?

curious said...

To be content is to be satisfied with God...And our primary purpose in life is to embrace the transcendent God by faith and to worship Him in purity and service....

curious said...

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the LOrd, and on his law he meditates day and night.He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season,and its leaf does not wither.In all that he does, he prospers... psalm 1:1-3

curious said...

For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel,and not with the words of eloquent wisdom,lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing,but to us who are being saved,it is the power of God...1corinthians 1:17-18..

curious said...

my devotion topic for today...ephesians 4:25-32 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouth, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear....

curious said...

During meditation,God says when we sin, we break our fellowship with God.We hinder our human happiness,and life becomes like a wilderness...For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,but against the rulers,against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness,against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places..ephesians 6:12

curious said...

But as for you, O man of God, flee these things, pursue righteousness, godliness,steadfastness, gentleness...fight the good fight of faith.Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses...1 timothy 6:11-12

curious said...

LAst but not least...For God so love the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life...For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world may be saved through him. john : 16-17..
all glory be unto the Lord..forever...Amen....God bless you...

curious said...

No matter who you are..God still loves you and is willing to forgive you no matter wat sin you have done...Amen...shalom...

Yuki said...

Learn to separate Christianity the religion, and The Believe and Faith in Christ.

A lot of separation is involved going through this period of confusion, especially sensitive issues in regards to what people do not understand or feel different to them.

The post is about how Christianity the religion, sometimes, perhaps accidently, is used to attack a specific community. If you would read my articles, I never included ALL Christians, but SOME Christians.

Hope we all learn something today. Take care, peace and love.